Category talk:Voting methods

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Cleaning up categories[edit source]

See Electowiki:The_caucus#Cleaning_up_categories Psephomancy (talk) 13:49, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Naming[edit source]

User:Psephomancy, now I see why you were eager to use Categories as names. I remember User:Homunq believed pretty strongly that we should start calling them "Voting systems" rather than "Electoral systems". But "electoral system" won on Wikipedia, and I'm guessing that's the mainstream academic name. "Electoral system" makes way more sense to me as a name.

Regardless of what we decide to rename the Voting system article to, I think we should make that article the main article for this category, and only have a brief category description here, in a style similar to Wikipedia. But category renames are such a pain to do, I'm happy with leaving Category:Voting methods in its current location. Thoughts? -- RobLa (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

NOTE - I'm reformatting to make it clear who is saying what -- RobLa (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Categories as names?[edit source]

eager to use Categories as names - (RobLa, 2020-04-12)

I'm not sure what you mean? — Psephomancy (talk) 02:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
That was a thinko. I meant to say "eager to use Category pages as articles", but then I don't remember exactly what I was driving at. -- RobLa (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Voting systems or voting methods?[edit source]

I remember User:Homunq believed pretty strongly that we should start calling them "Voting systems" - (RobLa, 2020-04-12)

I thought it was "voting methods" that he liked, because "systems" includes electronic vs paper ballots, etc.? — Psephomancy (talk) 02:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
That could be. My main recollection was the push for "voting __" rather than "election __" or "electoral __". I prefer using "election __" or "electoral __", and that seems to be what Wikipedia has settled on. -- RobLa (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Looking at this mess: w:Talk:Electoral_system/Archive_7#Requested_move_11_February_2017 w:Talk:Electoral_system/Archive_8#Oh_no,_not_again and the beginning of [1]
Homunq is in favor of "method" and against "system", and said 'As to "voting", "election", or "electoral", I'm agnostic'.
Someone else said "Voting method" and "voting system" both carry a plain English primary meaning of the process of casting a vote, i.e. paper, mechanical or electronic.' which makes sense to me. — Psephomancy (talk) 20:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Length of category articles[edit source]

I think we should make that article the main article for this category, and only have a brief category description here, in a style similar to Wikipedia. - (RobLa, 2020-04-12)

Yeah, I'll just assume they debated that to death and decided that method was better for some reason. :D (Psephomancy
resolved, then! -- RobLa (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Category renaming: easy or hard?[edit source]

But category renames are such a pain to do - (RobLa, 2020-04-12)

They're easy to do with the mass edit extension, I did one yesterday:
  1. Move Category:Preferential voting methods to Category:Ranked voting methods
  2. On Category:Preferential voting methods, click the "Edit all" tab (I'm not sure if it's visible for all users, but it should be visible to you)
  3. In the "Search for:" box, put /\[\[Category:Preferential voting methods\]\]/
  4. In the "Replace with:" box, put [[Category:Ranked voting methods]]
  5. Make an edit summary
  6. Press Preview to make sure it's not going to clobber anything
  7. Press Execute
Psephomancy (talk) 02:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, ok! I may refer back to this if we decide to rename the category. -- RobLa (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Voting or electoral[edit source]

A "voting method" to me sounds like a method for filling out a ballot. Back in 2017, wikipedia:User:Homunq tried to rename "wikipedia:Voting system" to "wikipedia:Voting method". The consensus (which I think was a better conclusion) as to rename the article to "wikipedia:Electoral system". That seems good enough to me. Could we rename this category to "Electoral methods", so as to reserve the term "voting" for the actual thing that voters do on election day? -- RobLa (talk) 03:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I would ask whether the EPOV supports RobLa's request to make "voting method" be used to describe the way people fill out their ballots on election day. Personally, I think the term "voting method" has pretty unambiguously been used by everyone to mean "method of electing representatives". In fact, given the current debate over mail-in balloting during the pandemic, I'd like to create an article discussing exactly the concept that you refer to as "voting method", but I'd strongly prefer to use a different term (such as "balloting method") to name it. BetterVotingAdvocacy (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)