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''Old discussion about Electowiki itself has moved to [[Project:The caucus]], which is where discussion about the site should go. Discussion about the Main Page itself goes here.''
In addition to the listed voting methods (e.g. proportional representation, IRV, Condorcet), this page should mention other prominent voting systems, including plurality voting, plurality with runoff, and approval voting.
 
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] - comment from 2006
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Alternatively, there should be a link to an editable main page. This would allow the main page to be free from vandalism, while at the same time allowing a single point for the editable hierarchy.
 
== STAR et al ==
The current situation where people cannot create a link to a new page in some kind of top level category page does not encourage people to create new pages.
[[STAR Voting]] should be in the short list on the home page. The question went on the ballot at least once. - [[User:Frankie1969|Frankie1969]] ([[User talk:Frankie1969|talk]]) 23:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
: Agreed. It has more active campaigns than other things listed. --[[User:Dr. Edmonds|Dr. Edmonds]] ([[User talk:Dr. Edmonds|talk]]) 17:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
== Ranked systems are not necessarily proportional ==
Under movements, I think ranking systems should be moved out of the Proportional representation bullet. IRV/RCV is a winner-take-all method and is what most people think of when they think of ranked ballots. Also, the most common uses of ProRep around the world today use list systems that do not have a ranked ballot. - [[User:PerfectlyGoodInk|PerfectlyGoodInk]] ([[User talk:PerfectlyGoodInk|talk]]) 18:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're right, [[User:PerfectlyGoodInk|PerfectlyGoodInk]]. I modified the page to separate the single-winner systems (currently at "[[Single-member district]]") and [[multi-member system]]s. Thanks for the suggestion! -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:17, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks! Would also suggest adding 3 bullets under multi-member systems for [[Party-list proportional representation|party-list]], [[Mixed-member proportional|MMP]], and [[Single transferable vote|STV]]. Much appreciated! [[User:PerfectlyGoodInk|PerfectlyGoodInk]] ([[User talk:PerfectlyGoodInk|talk]]) 18:14, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 
== Reverted edit ==
For example, the front page could be changed to:
(or something similar done by someone with better wiki formating skills that me)
 
@Robla is there something you'd like to discuss? I thought my last edit to the main page made it more consistent. Not sure if there's something you disliked about it. [[User:Closed Limelike Curves|Closed Limelike Curves]] ([[User talk:Closed Limelike Curves|talk]]) 17:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I have also created a [[Main Index]] page.
 
:{{ping|Closed Limelike Curves}} Per my email to you, we really shouldn't be removing [[instant-runoff voting]] from the home page ([https://electowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page?diff=prev&oldid=18210 as you did in oldid=18210]), since there are many people who prefer that system to many of the others on this wiki. I stopped liking IRV before it was called "IRV", but it's worth acknowledging the system has gotten traction in many parts of the world (even where I live). We want people searching for ''all'' forms of election method reform to find useful information here. Per [[Electowiki:EPOV]], we should "''err on the side of neutrality''" and have "''fairness to other points of view''". (p.s. you may want to learn how to use [[Template:Ping]] in your comments; both here and on Wikipedia) -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 06:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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{{Ping|RobLa}} I take it you didn't like the reference to two-round systems? I figured that should be fine, since even IRV is a straight-up Pareto improvement on two-round. —[[User:Closed Limelike Curves|Closed Limelike Curves]] ([[User talk:Closed Limelike Curves|talk]]) 18:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:{{ping|Closed Limelike Curves}} It might not be. https://rangevoting.org/TTRvIRVstats.html I don't really consider rangevoting to be a reliable source; I'm just pointing out that even the cardinal guys are unsure. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 09:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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:That's surprising, but it seems possible they've since changed their minds? Papua New Guinea has a multi-party system, whereas California and Louisiana haven't developed much political diversity. TTR and IRV seem similar enough that I'd expect them to produce similar results. From a theoretical perspective (in terms of effective party count) I'd expect something like FPP < TTR < IRV < Condorcet < FBC-compliant. [[User:Closed Limelike Curves|Closed Limelike Curves]] ([[User talk:Closed Limelike Curves|talk]]) 03:58, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 
Welcome to Electowiki! This is a wiki associated with [http://www.electorama.com Electorama], the [[Election-methods mailing list]], and communities of election-minded people.
 
===Main Page ===
 
The [[Main Index]] contains a listing of all the categories.
 
===Purpose of Wiki ===
 
'''Wikipedia is not a research community.'''
 
Wikipedia only wants well-established ideas and facts. New systems, new methods for evaluating systems, new insight, and new jargon are invented frequently on the mailing list. These ideas need a place to grow up to before they are notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Electowiki can be this research community; Wikipedia cannot.
 
Electowiki strives to be accurate and informative. But many of us research not just for knowledge, but also for change. Electowiki can be the place where we collaborate on arguments for change, craft draft letters to use when we write to groups where we are involved, et cetera.
 
===Election Methods ===
 
There has been an increasing awareness in many parts of the world of the effect that different [[:Category:Voting systems|election methods]] (voting systems, voting methods, etc; this site uses these words interchangeably) have on the quality and timbre of elections and democracy. There are movements for [[proportional representation]], [[instant-runoff voting]], [[Condorcet method|Condorcet]]. This site gives you a guide to what these things are and other less well know methods.
 
But it also goes one step further: there is a vast literature on the [[:Category:Voting theory|theory]] behind these systems: what [[:Category:Voting system criteria|criteria]] can you use to judge whether a particular method works well? What [[tactical voting|strategies]] will different systems encourage voters to use? We record the collective wisdom of scholars and enthusiasts, and, by working together, hope to create a canonical reference for all to use.
 
===About the project ===
 
We are a wiki! That means, anybody can get involved. We are free content. That means, we offer a license for anybody to copy and modify our works. To learn more about us or how to edit, see the [[Project:Community Portal|Community Portal]] and [[Project:FAQ|Frequently Asked Questions]]! This project begain in January, 2005, so it is young yet. However, much of the content is built on top of past free content writings on election methods.
 
===Electowidget ===
 
This site also hosts [[Electowidget]], a plugin for MediaWiki for conducting online elections using advanced electoral tallying methods.
 
'''[[Special:Allpages|See a list of all pages on Electowiki]]'''
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--Raphfrk
 
== Cleaning up categories ==
 
There are many different variants of the same category names.
 
[[User:Homunq]]'s definitions:
 
<blockquote>A note on terminology: “Electoral system” means all the election rules of a given country, including voter and candidate eligibility, elections for different offices, campaign rules, etc. “Voting method” is the formal mathematical part of that; the algorithm that determines what information must go on each ballot and how that information is aggregated to choose a winner. I’ve avoided the term “voting system” because it’s ambiguous; it could refer to either of the above, or to the specific machines used for casting ballots.</blockquote>
 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories/en#Redirecting_a_category says:
 
<blockquote>Like normal wiki pages, category pages can be redirected to other normal or category pages. However, this is not recommended, as pages categorized in redirected categories do not get categorized in the target category (bugzilla:3311). Some Wikimedia sites use a "category redirect" template to mark redirected categories, allowing manual or automated cleanup of pages categorized there.</blockquote>
 
Wikipedia style says
 
<blockquote>categories are almost always given plural titles and many templates are as well.</blockquote>
 
So I'll re-categorize each page under "voting methods" and delete "voting systems" categories. [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]] ([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 03:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)