Talk:Participation criterion: Difference between revisions

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:::: In any event, my point is that it's inaccurate to say that a method "fails Participation even in the case" when "the case" isn't a special case of the Participation criterion itself. I'd either call it some kind of truncation resistance or a generalization of the IIB criterion you mentioned. I'll remove the example and clear up the description by [[User:Dr. Edmonds]] to make it more clear that the participation criterion is about cast (honest) ballots. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 18:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
:::: Alternatively, you could say it's a special case of a more strict Participation criterion failure, where the strict Participation criterion goes "adding a ballot must not change the winner from X to Y unless the ballot explicitly ranks Y ahead of X" (i.e. the ordering that must not be violated is the ranks-higher-or-equal instead of the rank-higher one). But this is nonstandard. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 18:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 
== Can Condorcet be weakened to comply with participation? ==
 
Can Condorcet be weakened to comply with participation? Condorcet methods have plenty of advantages, but I suspect any system failing participation is vulnerable to being struck down by courts. I believe German courts have ruled that any methods failing participation are unconstitutional. --[[User:Closed Limelike Curves|Closed Limelike Curves]] ([[User talk:Closed Limelike Curves|talk]]) 04:17, 29 February 2024 (UTC)