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If instead of rankings, you asked each tribe ''how much'' they liked each candidate, they would give their own tribe's candidate the highest rating, candidate D a high rating, and the other tribes' candidates the lowest rating. So D would have the highest overall approval rating (say, 60-80%), since they're supported by all of the tribes, vs the 33% approval rating for each of the tribes' own candidates. It's pretty clear that D would also be the best winner if based on approval ratings.
If instead of rankings, you asked each tribe ''how much'' they liked each candidate, they would give their own tribe's candidate the highest rating, candidate D a high rating, and the other tribes' candidates the lowest rating. So D would have the highest overall approval rating (say, 60-80%), since they're supported by all of the tribes, vs the 33% approval rating for each of the tribes' own candidates. It's pretty clear that D would also be the best winner if based on approval ratings.


So D is both the most-''preferred'' candidate and the most-''approved'' candidate.
So D is both the [[Condorcet winner|most-''preferred'' candidate]] and the [[Utilitarian winner|most-''approved'' candidate]].


Yet, if this nation used any of the common voting systems used in real-world elections, D would be eliminated immediately, since they got zero first-preference votes:
Yet, if this nation used any of the common voting systems used in real-world elections, D would be eliminated immediately, since they got zero first-preference votes:
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** [[W:Exhaustive ballot|Exhaustive ballot]] (non-instant version of IRV)
** [[W:Exhaustive ballot|Exhaustive ballot]] (non-instant version of IRV)


All of these systems would then eliminate A and B, leaving C as the winner (by 1 vote), despite 2/3 of the population listing C ''last'' on their ballots and giving C the lowest approval rating.
All of these systems would then eliminate A and B, leaving C as the winner (by 1 vote), despite 2/3 of the population listing C ''last'' on their ballots.


Is this a good result? Is this democratic? Will relations between the tribes become better or worse after C wins?
Is this a good result? Is this democratic? Will relations between the tribes become better or worse after C wins? Which candidate was the best representative of the nation as a whole?

Latest revision as of 22:54, 15 December 2019

Short version

Imagine a society has three tribes, and each runs a candidate in an election. Every voter loves their own tribe's candidate, while hating the other two tribes' candidates.

There's also a fourth candidate, who is liked by every voter and is listed as everyone's second choice.

Who should win? A candidate hated by two-thirds of the population, or a candidate who is liked by everyone?

Longer version

Let's say there's a nation with three tribes in it (A, B, and C), who haven't been getting along. They're voting for mayor, and a candidate from each tribe runs. There's also a fourth-party candidate who is respected by all of the tribes, but no one's favorite. Their preferences are:

  • Tribe A:
    • 100 people
    • Ranks candidates: A > D > B = C
  • Tribe B:
    • 100 people
    • Ranks candidates: B > D > A = C
  • Tribe C:
    • 101 people
    • Ranks candidates: C > D > A = B

Candidate D is everyone's second favorite, but nobody's favorite. If a binary election were held between only A and D, D would win by a landslide (67% to 33%), since 2 out of 3 tribes prefer them. Likewise, D would win if an election were held against only B and likewise if D ran against only C. D is, therefore, the Condorcet winner, or "beats-all winner".

If instead of rankings, you asked each tribe how much they liked each candidate, they would give their own tribe's candidate the highest rating, candidate D a high rating, and the other tribes' candidates the lowest rating. So D would have the highest overall approval rating (say, 60-80%), since they're supported by all of the tribes, vs the 33% approval rating for each of the tribes' own candidates. It's pretty clear that D would also be the best winner if based on approval ratings.

So D is both the most-preferred candidate and the most-approved candidate.

Yet, if this nation used any of the common voting systems used in real-world elections, D would be eliminated immediately, since they got zero first-preference votes:

All of these systems would then eliminate A and B, leaving C as the winner (by 1 vote), despite 2/3 of the population listing C last on their ballots.

Is this a good result? Is this democratic? Will relations between the tribes become better or worse after C wins? Which candidate was the best representative of the nation as a whole?