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Line 1: OnThis ~~February~~is ~~15,~~information ~~2021,~~about the mailing list archives for the "[[EM-list\|]]" (the "election-methods" mailing list~~]] is celebrating its 25th anniversary~~). == Purpose == The list has long been intended a place for the discussion of the nitty-gritty details of single-winner election reform, the relative merits of different proportional representation systems, and the technical underpinnings of all election methods. "election-methods-list" discussions tend to be technical in nature (or at least, very laden with jargon), with the ultimate goal of providing recommendations and educational material to the electoral reform movement. == ~~The first message~~History == {{wikipedia\|Majordomo (software)}}{{Main\|EM25}} On February 15, 2021, the election-methods mailing list (the "[[EM-list]]") is celebrating its 25th birthday!!! The EM-list is a mailing list that was started in 1996 and continues to host discussions with [[electoral system]] experts and activists.<ref>https://electorama.com/em/</ref> [[User:RobLa]] jumped the gun when he sent the "Happy Birthday" note to the mailing list.<ref>http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2021-February/002713.html</ref> The list was started in 1996 by Rob Lanphier.<ref>First message to the new EM-list on February 15, 1996: http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/1996-February/065327.html</ref>. Rob Lanphier is "[[User:RobLa]]" on this wiki. It was started as an unofficial spinoff to the "[[ER-list]]", which was more concerned about promoting [[Instant-runoff voting\|single-winner STV]] than diving into the weeds about the [[Electoral systems\|theory of electoral systems]]. ~~<blockquote>~~ ~~Subject: New "election-methods" list<br/>~~ === 1996 === From: Rob Lanphier <ref name="robla-at-eskimo">robla@eskimo.com was Rob's personal email address at the time. See the archived version of "[https://web.archive.org/web/19970825175036/http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/#misc " http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/#misc] to see my PGP key at the time.</ref><br /> ~~Date: Thu Feb 15 21:34:05 PST 1996<br />~~ See [[EM25]] to see the first message that was sent (on February 15, 1996).<ref>{{subst:Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065327.html\|title=New "election-methods" list\|anchor=65327\|author=Rob Lanphier}}</ref> See the following links for other messages: ~~To: [elections-reform, election-methods]<br />~~ ~~<p>~~ * February: ~~I'm starting up an "election-methods-list" list to discuss single-winner<br/>~~ [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/thread.html By Thread]) ~~reform, the relative merits of different PR systems, and the technical<br/>~~ [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/subject.html By Subject] ~~underpinnings of all election methods. This list is intended to <br/>~~ [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/author.html By Author] ~~compliment, not to replace, the existing "elections-reform" list. <br/>~~ [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/date.html By Date] ~~</p><p>~~ ** [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/1996-February.txt.gz 1996-February.txt.gz] -- gzipped plain-text archive. ~~Please continue to discuss the various electoral reform movements in the<br/>~~ ~~U.S. and throughout the world in the "elections-reform" list. <br/>~~ See the rest of the 1996 archive here: https://electorama.com/em/archive.html#1996 ~~"elections-reform" is still the best forum for discussing strategies used <br/>~~ ~~in reform campaigns, specific legislation addressing reform, and <br/>~~ ~~educational material about reform.<br/>~~ ==== February 1996 ==== ~~</p><p>~~ <ul> ~~What is the difference, you ask? "election-methods-list" discussions will<br/>~~ ~~most likely be more technical in nature, with the ultimate goal of<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065327.html\|title=New "election-methods" list\|anchor=65327\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~providing recommendations and educational material to the members of<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065328.html\|title=use of "who" inquiry\|anchor=65328\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~"elections-reform". There have been complaints in the past that<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065329.html\|title=STV ballot question\|anchor=65329\|author=Ed Still}} ~~discussions on "elections-reform" have been too technical, and<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065330.html\|title=Message from Jim Lindsay\|anchor=65330\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~"election-methods-list" has been created to offload the more prolific<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098092.html\|title=STV ballot question\|anchor=98092\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~technical discussions to "elections-reform". It lets folks use<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065331.html\|title=closed/open list hybrids?\|anchor=65331\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} ~~"elections-reform" to stay abreast of current activity in electoral<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065333.html\|title=uuencoding and ftp (was Re: Are all of us able to browse web?)\|anchor=65333\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} ~~reform without fear of their inbox exploding. <br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098094.html\|title=closed/open list hybrids?\|anchor=98094\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~</p><p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065335.html\|title=[ER] Nader poopoos prop rep?! (fwd)\|anchor=65335\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~To subscribe to "election-methods-list", send mail to majordomo at eskimo.com<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065336.html\|title=ER/EM FAQs\|anchor=65336\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} ~~with no subject line (any subject will be ignored), and the following one<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098097.html\|title=ER/EM FAQs\|anchor=98097\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} ~~line in the body of your message: <br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065338.html\|title=Voting Paradoxes\|anchor=65338\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} ~~</p><p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065339.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=65339\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} ~~subscribe election-methods-list~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098100.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=98100\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~</p><p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098101.html\|title=ER/EM FAQs\|anchor=98101\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~My apologies to anybody who stumbled on the web page that I set up a week<br />~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065343.html\|title=CVD home page\|anchor=65343\|author=Ed Still}} ago at <code><nowiki>http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/cpr/election-methods.html</nowiki></code><ref>User:RobLa's old "politics" page can now be found at Internet Archive at this address: [https://web.archive.org/web/19970817085911/http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/index.html http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/politics/index.html]</ref> and tried <br/> * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065344.html\|title=What is PR?\|anchor=65344\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} ~~to subscribe (and failed, because the list didn't exist yet). In the time I<br/>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065345.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=65345\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} ~~was waiting for the list to get set up, I set up the web page.<br />Everything should now work according to the instructions on that page.<br />~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098105.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=98105\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~</p><p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098106.html\|title=CVD home page\|anchor=98106\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~That's all there is to it. Let me know if you have any questions about <br />the new list.<br />~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098107.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=98107\|author=[[Mike Ossipoff]]}} ~~</p><p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098108.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=98108\|author=[[Mike Ossipoff]]}} Thanks,<br />Rob Lanphier<br />[<insert Rob's old email address here>]<ref name="robla-at-eskimo" /><br />[https://web.archive.org/web/19970825175036/http://www.eskimo.com/~robla/ http://www.eskimo.com/~robla] [<< Rob's old website] * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098109.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=98109\|author=Matthew Shugart}} ~~</p>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098110.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=98110\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} ~~</blockquote>~~ * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065352.html\|title=New Hypermail Archive\|anchor=65352\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065353.html">No subject\|anchor=65353\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065354.html\|title=MSC reply\|anchor=65354\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098114.html\|title=MSC reply\|anchor=98114\|author=[[Rob Lanphier]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098115.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=98115\|author=Lucien Saumur}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098116.html\|title=MSC reply\|anchor=98116\|author=[[Mike Ossipoff]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098117.html\|title=Multiple Same Choices\|anchor=98117\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098118.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=98118\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/098122.html\|title=Defects in various election systems\|anchor=98122\|author=Matthew Shugart}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065360.html\|title=(Fwd) {SW} Outline-driven group writing\|anchor=65360\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065361.html\|title=(Fwd) Re: {SWC} Outline-driven group writing\|anchor=65361\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065362.html\|title=Messages of Single-Winner Committee available\|anchor=65362\|author=[[Stephen Eppley\|Steve Eppley]]}} * {{Template:A-LINK\|url=http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com//1996-February/065364.html\|title=Hitler-Stalin-Middle Example Again\|anchor=65364\|author=DEMOREP1 at aol.com}} === Later history === During its first few years, "election-methods" it was on "eskimo.com", and was originally a "Majordomo" list. In 2003, the list moved to the newly-formed [[Electorama.com]] website on [[Dreamhost]], and transitioned to becoming a [[wikipedia:GNU Mailman\|GNU Mailman]]-based mailing list.<ref>[http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2003-March/074889.html <nowiki>[EM] election-methods list move</nowiki>] -- Rob Lanphier, 2003 March 4</ref> [[EM-list]] remains hosted on Dreamhost, but the old "[[Electowiki]]" wiki, hosted on Dreamhost was copied the [[Miraheze]] infrastructure in 2018 and rebranded "[[electowiki]]" (with a lowercase "e"). The old "[[Electowiki]]" wiki is still running to serve up history of articles written prior to 2018. == Future == Who knows? ==Footnotes== <references /> [[Category:Forums]]