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:::: [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] I just can't get behind your argument. You admit that cardinal methods are not subject to Arrow's theorem. Your argument seems to be that since they are subject to other similar theorems we should say that it is subject to Arrow's. That is totally illogical. We need to be precise in what applies to what. I do not understand your motivation for wanting to do this. --[[User:Dr. Edmonds|Dr. Edmonds]] ([[User talk:Dr. Edmonds|talk]]) 03:07, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
::::: I'd like to continue this conversation in the next section -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
== Finding EPOV on Arrow ==
:''This is a continuation of "[[#EPOV on Arrow and cardinal methods|EPOV on Arrow and cardinal methods]]"''
[[User:Dr. Edmonds|Dr. Edmonds]], could you do me a favor? Could you do one of the following:
* a. find someone that agrees with you in the [http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2020-January/thread.html#2403 January 2020] list of respondents to my "Arrow's theorem and cardinal voting systems" email, and let me know which person I need to provide a better response to?
* b. join the [[EM list]], and state your objection to my January email on that list?
* c. propose some other off-wiki mechanism to convince me that your position isn't controversial?
* d. just concede that we need to agree to disagree, and that because I disagree with your point of view (and many smart people on [[EM list]] seem to agree with me), the idea that "Arrow doesn't apply to cardinal methods" is controversial (e.g. I believe it does, you believe it doesn't)
I'm willing to concede that I may be wrong. But the membership of [[EM list]] wasn't able to convince me I'm wrong, and believe me: they have a lot of practice telling me that I'm wrong, and some of them have been doing it for 24 years. It's a tough crowd. I ''might'' be willing to change venues, but given the robust response I received in January, I feel pretty confident saying "the [[EM list]] has spoken", and I don't see the value of trying to overrule the discussion by [[w:forum shopping|forum shopping]].
I'm already willing to concede that I'm not going to convince you that I'm correct. I'm asking that we agree to disagree, and consider the EPOV to be "Some people believe Arrow doesn't apply to cardinal methods" rather than flat out insisting that "Arrow doesn't apply to cardinal methods".
Could you choose one of the options above? Thanks! -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 04:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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