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: As for the relation to Proportional Representation. Yes they are totally differ but that was my whole point and I say that. When I was working on the BC referendum I would very often have to correct people on this so I thought it would be useful to make the distinction clear. Their logic goes like this "FPTP has vote splitting. Here is an example where vote splitting causes low PR. MMP cannot have Low PR. Therefore, MMP cannot have vote splitting" There is an obvious flaw in the logic but it was still enough to convince people in propaganda that MMP has no vote splitting even though both votes are done with a mark one style ballot. Even the inventor of dual member proportional thought his system did not have vote splitting until I gave him an example. Anyway, if it is used in propaganda and election scientist make the mistake I figured it is worth clarifying. My stance is that the more content the better in general. --[[User:Dr. Edmonds|Dr. Edmonds]] ([[User talk:Dr. Edmonds|talk]]) 17:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
: As for the relation to Proportional Representation. Yes they are totally differ but that was my whole point and I say that. When I was working on the BC referendum I would very often have to correct people on this so I thought it would be useful to make the distinction clear. Their logic goes like this "FPTP has vote splitting. Here is an example where vote splitting causes low PR. MMP cannot have Low PR. Therefore, MMP cannot have vote splitting" There is an obvious flaw in the logic but it was still enough to convince people in propaganda that MMP has no vote splitting even though both votes are done with a mark one style ballot. Even the inventor of dual member proportional thought his system did not have vote splitting until I gave him an example. Anyway, if it is used in propaganda and election scientist make the mistake I figured it is worth clarifying. My stance is that the more content the better in general. --[[User:Dr. Edmonds|Dr. Edmonds]] ([[User talk:Dr. Edmonds|talk]]) 17:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

== How general? ==

I'm not sure how general this concept should be; there's a scale from "just the clone-loser effect" at one end, to "any kind of spoiler" at the other. I've tried to clean up the article, but it could probably use a better explanation of what (if anything) distinguishes vote splitting from the spoiler effect. Personally I would ''probably'' say vote splitting is best quantified by James Green-Armytage's "incentive for candidate exit" statistic: if allied candidates inadvertently end up stepping on each other's toes due to the voting method, then that voting method has vote splitting. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 15:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)