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: In any case, participation is different than consistency in the other direction. You can have participation without consistency. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 22:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
: In any case, participation is different than consistency in the other direction. You can have participation without consistency. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 22:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

:: FYI, here's a reference that uses the "winner" definition of consistency.<ref name="Young 1975 pp. 824–838">{{cite journal | last=Young | first=H. P. | title=Social Choice Scoring Functions | journal=SIAM Journal on Applied Mathematics | publisher=Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics | volume=28 | issue=4 | year=1975 | issn=00361399 | jstor=2100365 | pages=824–838 | url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/2100365 | access-date=2024-02-26|url=http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/cs286r/courses/fall11/papers/Young75.pdf}}</ref> [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 16:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Doesn't consistency imply participation?

I can't see how participation and consistency are different. Participation says that adding extra votes that all rank A>B shouldn't cause the social choice function to switch from A>B to B>A. Consistency says adding the votes from a constituency with A>B shouldn't cause the function to switch from A>B to B>A. Unless we're not assuming Pareto, doesn't that mean consistency implies participation? Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 03:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

There seem to be two types of consistency, and we should clear up which is meant. Wikipedia says that consistency means that whenever A>B in both districts, A>B in the two combined. But this page only says that if A wins in both separately, then A should win the combined election, i.e. it says nothing about lower preferences.
If consistency is about all pairwise preferences, then as far as I can see, you're right that consistency implies participation. But if it's only winners, then it's possible for a method to fail lower preference participation yet pass consistency. E.g. an added ballot of the type B>A>C to an election where A is already winning could harm A even though the method passes (winner) consistency.
In any case, participation is different than consistency in the other direction. You can have participation without consistency. Kristomun (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
FYI, here's a reference that uses the "winner" definition of consistency.[1] Kristomun (talk) 16:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  1. Young, H. P. (1975). "Social Choice Scoring Functions" (PDF). SIAM Journal on Applied Mathematics. Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics. 28 (4): 824–838. ISSN 0036-1399. JSTOR 2100365. Retrieved 2024-02-26.