Talk:Minimax Condorcet method

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What about Minmax with smith set extraction first and then using margins? What criteria would that pass and fail?

Source references

There's a citation needed on the name Simpson-Kramer. What kind of citation is most appropriate: to the Simpson and Kramer papers where they define the method, or to the first source that references these papers and uses the name "Simpson-Kramer"?

The sources I could find are: Kramer's 1973 paper[1], Simpson's 1969 paper[2], and the earliest paper I could find referring to these with the name "Simpson-Kramer".[3]

Kristomun (talk) 17:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The "least reversal" and "successive reversal" terminology seems to be rather more messy. Both seem to be based on Condorcet's vaguely worded original tiebreaker, but because it's been so vaguely defined, it has been interpreted in many ways: minmax, Kemeny, Ranked Pairs or something entirely different. The interpretation of minmax as successive reversal seems to have come from EM -- e.g. James Green-Armytage's post.[4] I have the impression I saw it listed earlier on either or Ossipoff's site, but I'm not sure. Kristomun (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Being w:WP:BOLD, I've added references to the 64% paper and JGA's post to Minmax. I'll just set this page to redirect to it. Kristomun (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I also added the needed citations to the Wikipedia quote, although this strictly speaking doesn't make it a completely faithful quote any longer. Kristomun (talk) 12:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


  1. Kramer, Gerald H. (1973). "On a Class of Equilibrium Conditions for Majority Rule". Econometrica. [Wiley, Econometric Society]. 41 (2): 285–297. ISSN 0012-9682. JSTOR 1913490. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
  2. Simpson, Paul B. (1969). "On Defining Areas of Voter Choice: Professor Tullock on Stable Voting". The Quarterly Journal of Economics. Oxford University Press. 83 (3): 478–490. ISSN 0033-5533. JSTOR 1880533. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
  3. Caplin, Andrew; Nalebuff, Barry (1988). "On 64%-Majority Rule". Econometrica. [Wiley, Econometric Society]. 56 (4): 787–814. ISSN 0012-9682. JSTOR 1912699. Retrieved 2023-05-27.
  4. Green-Armytage, J. (2003-08-04). "the name of the rose". Election-methods mailing list archives.