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:: "The Hagenbach-Bischoff system is a variant of the D'Hondt method, used for allocating seats in party-list proportional representation. It usually uses the '''Hagenbach-Bischoff quota''' for allocating seats, and for any seats remaining the D'Hondt method is then applied so that the first and subsequent divisors (number of seats won plus 1) for each party list's vote total includes the number of seats that have been allocated by the quota. '''The system gives results identical to the D'Hondt method'''" |
:: "The Hagenbach-Bischoff system is a variant of the D'Hondt method, used for allocating seats in party-list proportional representation. It usually uses the '''Hagenbach-Bischoff quota''' for allocating seats, and for any seats remaining the D'Hondt method is then applied so that the first and subsequent divisors (number of seats won plus 1) for each party list's vote total includes the number of seats that have been allocated by the quota. '''The system gives results identical to the D'Hondt method'''" |
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: In other words, D'Hondt guarantees every party wins at least as many seats as it has HB quotas. The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_for_Solid_Coalitions#'%22%60UNIQ--postMath-00000014-QINU%60%22'%E2%80%93PSC| Droop proportionality criterion]], in the party list case, only says that every party must win at least as many seats as it has more voters than that number of HB quotas. I think you're confusing the [[quota rule]] with Droop proportionality here. [[User:BetterVotingAdvocacy|BetterVotingAdvocacy]] ([[User talk:BetterVotingAdvocacy|talk]]) 02:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC) |
: In other words, D'Hondt guarantees every party wins at least as many seats as it has HB quotas. The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_for_Solid_Coalitions#'%22%60UNIQ--postMath-00000014-QINU%60%22'%E2%80%93PSC| Droop proportionality criterion]], in the party list case, only says that every party must win at least as many seats as it has more voters than that number of HB quotas. I think you're confusing the [[quota rule]] with Droop proportionality here. [[User:BetterVotingAdvocacy|BetterVotingAdvocacy]] ([[User talk:BetterVotingAdvocacy|talk]]) 02:54, 21 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:: It should be pretty easy to determine this. Find an election where LR-Droop and D'Hondt disagree. Turn it into a Schulze STV election and see what the outcome is. Either you get the LR-Droop result, or you get the D'Hondt result; either way will strengthen the case considerably. It's something I'd like to do, eventually, but I haven't got around to do yet. [[User:Kristomun|Kristomun]] ([[User talk:Kristomun|talk]]) 10:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC) |
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