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FairVote and Fair Vote Canada[edit | edit source]

Is FairVote (the US organization) related to Fair Vote Canada in any way? Kristomun (talk) 07:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

They are legally separated because they have to operate under the laws of each country for such organizations. They however do use the same playbook. --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 03:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
User:Dr. Edmonds, do you know if Fair Vote Canada was started using a grant from FairVote USA? I asked a similar question over on the talk page for wikipedia:Fair Vote Canada[1]. I'm curious what you mean by "the same playbook". -- RobLa (talk) 06:22, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I have only hear rumours about money and resources being exchanged. I do not have any hard evidence because I have never bothered to look. By playbook I mean that both endorse the same systems using the same propaganda and misinformation strategies. They give similar responses when confronted with modern systems. They act as if they have deep strategic and organizational ties but they are legally separate entities. --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 15:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
So they are separate organizations that may be cooperating behind the scenes? One interesting contrast is that US FairVote campaigns in favor of IRV, but Fair Vote Canada is opposed to AV (IRV). Kristomun (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Kristomun In my discussion with the leader of FairVote Canada (Réal Lavergne) he said they favour IRV. Have you seen support of any other system when discussing single winner elections? If so, which? I would honestly be shocked to find they support anything other that IRV for single member. --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
E.g. https://www.fairvote.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AV-backgrounder-august2009_1.pdf. Unlike the US organization, they don't seem to consider IRV a stepping stone to PR: the strategy should be to go directly to STV. See also the "Could AV be worse than first-past-the post in distorting overall election results?" section, which seems to indicate they see issues with even single-winner IRV.
I recall mails from the FV Canada Yahoo mailing list archives also pointing in this direction, but I'm currently at another computer, so I can't access/cite them at the moment. Kristomun (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
OK, I see your confusion. I tried to be clear in my last comment about how the distinction is about single vs multi-winner elections. In Canada we do not elect our leaders directly so PR is a much bigger issue. So it is not that FairVote Canada does not endorse IRV for single winner elections, it is that they want systems with high PR for electing member of parliament. The distinction comes down to the difference between the systems in Canada and the US not the different organizations. I am sure FairVote Canada would endorse IRV for Mayors. --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 19:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

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