Talk:Political spectrum

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Deferring to Wikipedia

Discussion started 19:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Is there a good reason to have an article here instead of just deferring to Wikipedia's?

Politics is really a multi-dimensional space, and the 2D spectrum you've included is just one example of a projection onto 2D space. — Psephomancy (talk) 19:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I am not sure if this page is needed since the wikipedia one is reasonable. The work we are doing on voting simulation is about simulating in a 2D political spectrum space. Eventually I would like to put some of that work here. Should at least add the flag that there is a corresponding wikipedia page. Politics is definitely a multi dimensional space but it may not be the same space for all people. This is touched on a bit in Ideal Representation --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 19:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Horseshoe theory

Discussion started: 09:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I removed the reference to horseshoe theory from the Three Telos model section, because it doesn't seem that a ternary representation would support horseshoe theory. In order for the diagram to do that, wouldn't it have to wrap around in some way, like a cylinder or sphere? If it should be there, feel free to reinstate it with an explanation of how it relates to the telos model. Kristomun (talk) 09:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Kristomun No. This is an explanation of horseshoe theory and why it arrises in the the left right model. Horseshoe theory shows the failing of the standard left/right dichotomy. This model has no issue with Nazis begin just as centrist as liberals since there is the extra component of liberalism. Taking that out is bad. The horseshoe could easily be drawn on this diagram with the middle at the liberal end and the two sides ending up at National Socialism. Also, you refer to the left right political spectrum within this article. Not only does this confuse matters but your refer to Friedman (A classical liberal) as somebody on the right. Furthermore, you are removed a pretty good video explanation of this theory. Your changes have greatly reduced the quality of the article. --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 16:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I suppose I'm saying that I don't see how drawing a horseshoe on the Telos chart is any more informative than drawing a clockwise/counterclockwise arrow on a Political Compass chart; and thus that the association requires more explanation. For that matter, the Nolan chart may show the horseshoe theory just as easily as (if not moreso than) the Telos chart. So I'd think it would need its own section - something about political spectra that are represented by curved surfaces.

As for Friedman being right, I was referring to economic right. The 2D chart on this page puts classical liberalism right-of-center, and in particular, the Political Compass authors consider him to be quite a ways on the right; see [[1]]). Kristomun (talk) 08:50, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

I think you are confusing the political spectrum and political compass in both cases. W: Horseshoe theory refers to the 1D political spectrum not the the 2D political compass. The 2D political compass would be useful for showing the horseshoe but the Telos model was invented to explain the "paradox" illustrated by the Horseshoe theory. Its about intend and origin. As for Friedman, The free market is a centrist opinion its just that nobody is on the economic right any more. The Mercantile system is the on the right of the economic spectrum. The left and right in the political compass does not translate to left and right in the 1D spectrum. They put the orientation that way for a reason but it is only about economic freedom and does not really get into different forms. The political compass is not really any better than the spectrum. In this instance the 1D spectrum is better. The fact that the Telos Model covers all this really shows its strength --Dr. Edmonds (talk) 01:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Talk page format

Discussion started: 06:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

I reformatted this page a bit, adding a topic title to the "#Deferring to Wikipedia" section, and adding ":''Discussion started: ~~~~~'' subheadings to all of the talk page topics on this page. I also added a copy of the {{subst:TalkPageIntro}} at the top of the page, which should add a current copy of Template:TalkPageIntro as the leading paragraph of the page. Note that it's possible to literally put ":''Discussion started: ~~~~~''" right underneath the section header for any section started on a talk page, and MediaWiki will fill in the date and the UTC timestamp. -- RobLa (talk) 06:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Providing a list of Poltical Compass tests for further research purposes

Take a look at these two lists, might be good to give hints to how they relate to one another - https://www.reddit.com/r/Politicaltests/wiki/listoftests - https://l-lists.com/en/lists/0isll4.html

Data and Research on posibble Dimensions

I've deleted the comment from User:Trichot made at 05:55 UTC on 3 September 2021. It makes me deeply uncomfortable to allow long lists of unannotated links to raw Javascript files on this website. -- RobLa (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reply on the research files

To RobLa: I would like to make a note that those "Javacript" files stores mainly JSON-like data, that only contains example questions. Please check the information again as they do not contain anything malicious.