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Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2005 - discussion archives for 2005
Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2008 - discussion archives for 2008
Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2018 - discussion archives for 2018
Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2019 - discussion archives for 2019
Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2020 - where the archives from 2020 will be
Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2021 - where the archives for 2021 will be

The discussions below were started on the year that they are listed under. The years are not yet in reverse chronological order, so the best place to start a new conversation is in the #2021 section below.

2005

See Electowiki talk:The caucus/Archive 2005

2008

See Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2008

2018

See Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2018

2019

To be moved to Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2019

Template for mailing list posts

It might be good to have a template to reference mailing list posts. Is there a unique ID for each post or something like that? — Psephomancy (talk) 17:09, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Help page

Should probably have a Help page to explain the features that aren't present on Wikipedia, list the Wikipedia features that aren't present here, and link to Wikipedia for the things that are the same. For now, check out User:Psephomancy/Sandbox — Psephomancy (talk) 05:12, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Meta-articles

Which of these should be moved to Electowiki: space?

— Psephomancy (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Psephomancy, a belated thank you for this list. I copied it over to User:RobLa/Electorama 2005 cleanup, and I have the cleanup task on my TODO list -- RobLa (talk) 00:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Archiving off older discussions

I'm going to start archiving off older discussions. We don't have a bot framework to do it automatically yet, but I'll be copying things off to child articles much like the bots do on Wikipedia talk pages. I'm also going to be reordering these so that new stuff shows up on the bottom -- RobLa (talk) 01:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

2020

See Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2020

2021

To be moved to Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2021

Archiving by year

I've changed the heading level of many of the headings above. We have conversations happening over multiple years with the setup we have right now. I think we should start each year as a clean slate, so I'm planning on manually archiving the conversations above. -- RobLa (talk) 08:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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 Archives:
-* [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2019]] - discussion archives from 2019 and earlier
+* [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2005]] - discussion archives for 2005
+* [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2008]] - discussion archives for 2008
+* [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2018]] - discussion archives for 2018
+* [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2019]] - discussion archives for 2019
 * [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2020]] - where the archives from 2020 will be
 * [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2021]] - where the archives for 2021 will be
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 == 2018 ==
-:''To be moved to [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2018]]''
+See [[Electowiki_talk:The_caucus/Archive 2018]]
-=== Cleaning up categories ===
-There are many different variants of the same category names.
-[[User:Jameson Quinn]]'s definitions:
-<blockquote>A note on terminology: “Electoral system” means all the election rules of a given country, including voter and candidate eligibility, elections for different offices, campaign rules, etc. “Voting method” is the formal mathematical part of that; the algorithm that determines what information must go on each ballot and how that information is aggregated to choose a winner. I’ve avoided the term “voting system” because it’s ambiguous; it could refer to either of the above, or to the specific machines used for casting ballots.</blockquote>
-https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories/en#Redirecting_a_category says:
-<blockquote>Like normal wiki pages, category pages can be redirected to other normal or category pages. However, this is not recommended, as pages categorized in redirected categories do not get categorized in the target category (bugzilla:3311). Some Wikimedia sites use a "category redirect" template to mark redirected categories, allowing manual or automated cleanup of pages categorized there.</blockquote>
-Wikipedia style says
-<blockquote>categories are almost always given plural titles and many templates are as well.</blockquote>
-So I'll re-categorize each page under "voting methods" and delete "voting systems" categories. [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]] ([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 03:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
-=== StructuredDiscussions ===
-Should we use the [[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions|StructuredDiscussions]] extension for Talk pages?  This wiki uses it, for reference: https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
-[[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]] ([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 02:45, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
-:[[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]], at this point, now that we seem to have a reasonably active community to watch things, I think this would be fine.  I was a little worried about this back in 2018 when you first proposed this.  Now (in 2020) that we have a lot of editors, and now that I'm a lot more comfortable with Miraheze, I think we can give it a shot, I'm not how much work migrating our existing talk pages to StructuredDiscussions would be at this point, but assuming we can make the shift without a lot of work on anyone's part, I'd be game for trying it out. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 20:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
-:: I'm a little scared to click the button because I'm not sure exactly what it does and I don't want to screw things up for people.  Will it enable the Structured Discussion on all blank Talk pages?  Will it print any kind of warning or explanation or do we have to do that?
-:: It looks like existing talk pages will be unchanged and [[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions#Migrating_existing_pages|need to be migrated]], which is good. — [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 05:39, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
-=== Search Engine Optimization ===
-Is there anything we can do to raise this site in Google results?  If I search for "Summability criterion", <code>wiki.electorama.com</code> is the first result, but <code>electowiki.org</code> isn't on the first 5 results pages at all.  The first result actually points to Category:Voting system criteria, which is weird.
-If I search for [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22rather+than+the+highest+total+score%22 a specific phrase "rather than the highest total score"], Google only returns <code>wiki.electorama.com</code>
-* Could edit [[MediaWiki:Pagetitle]] to say "Electowiki, the election methods wiki" or something like that.
-* Could add a [[MediaWiki:Tagline]]
-* I enabled https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSEO, but not sure how to use it.
-* This lists some things that can be done: https://seositecheckup.com/seo-audit/electowiki.org
-— [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 22:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
-:I'll need to set up redirects as appropriate. The main trouble with doing this is migrating in a way that respects the Creative Commons attribution license, per my comments over on https://phabricator.miraheze.org/T3624 .  We can do some soft redirects today, and in fact, I've done that with [[Summability criterion]], and I've got some ideas for how I want to set up the Apache redirects. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 01:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
-I'm not sure redirects are the problem, though.  The site appears invisible to Google for some configuration reason.  I tried adding it to Google SearchConsole, and testing <code>https://electowiki.org/wiki/Proportional_representation</code>, and got:
-<blockquote>URL is not on Google
-This page is not in the index, but not because of an error. See the details below to learn why it wasn't indexed.</blockquote>
-<blockquote>Duplicate, submitted URL not selected as canonical
-Status: Excluded</blockquote>
-<blockquote>Google-selected canonical: N/A</blockquote>
-The site as a whole says "Processing data, please check again in a few days", so we'll see what it says later.
-— [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 19:40, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
-I turned on [[mw:Extension:Description2]] extension and [[mw:Extension:OpenGraphMeta]] extension (which uses the former), and they seem to be working, except there are two description tags on the main page, one from the manual WikiSEO, and the other auto-generated from the first paragraph by Description2.
-Google SearchConsole for https://electowiki.org/wiki/Median_Ratings says the same thing:
-<blockquote>User-declared canonical None
-Google-selected canonical N/A
-</blockquote>
-While inspecting https://electowiki.org/wiki/Proportional_representation says it is in Google, I guess because it's linked from the main page?
-<blockquote>Referring page
-https://electowiki.org/wiki/Main_Page</blockquote>
-[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22districts+do+not+ensure+that+an+electoral+system+will+be+proportional%22 Another exact phrase search] finds the <code>wiki.electorama.com</code> site, and also the <code>electowiki.org</code> URL, but that is hidden under "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 3 already displayed."
-Maybe turning on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableCanonicalServerLink would help?  It seems to be enabled on Wikipedia. — [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 20:28, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
-[[User:Reception123|Reception123]]:
-So I'm looking at Google SearchConsole now that it's finished the Coverage report.
-There are a bunch of URLs in the category "Duplicate without user-selected canonical" of the same form:
-    https://electowiki.org/w/index.php?title=Voting_system&veaction=edit&section=10&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile
-    https://electowiki.org/w/index.php?title=Majority_Judgment&veaction=edit&section=2
-    https://electowiki.org/w/index.php?title=Instant-runoff_voting&veaction=edit&section=11
-Similar URLs also show up below the "omitted similar entries" fold at the bottom: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22districts+do+not+ensure+that+an+electoral+system+will+be+proportional%22&filter=0&biw=1440&bih=789
-So I think it's deducing the wrong canonical URLs for certain pages, including the old domain, weird API URLs, etc. and so it hides the correct one.  I think the only way to fix this is to add link rel="canonical" tags to each article, which I think you need to do using https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgEnableCanonicalServerLink  Google doesn't seem to care about the og:url tag provided by WikiSEO extension.
-That's the second method listed on
-https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/139066?hl=en
-It's not possible to do the first method since that requires me to own both miraheze.org and electowiki.org and it seems like an obsolete method anyway.  I don't think I have the power to do any of the others, either. — [[User:Psephomancy|Psephomancy]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Psephomancy|talk]]) 02:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 == 2019 ==
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 I've changed the heading level of many of the headings above.  We have conversations happening over multiple years with the setup we have right now.  I think we should start each year as a clean slate, so I'm planning on manually archiving the conversations above. -- [[User:RobLa|RobLa]] ([[User talk:RobLa|talk]]) 08:08, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
+[[Category:Electowiki caucus|*]]