Talk:Expanding Approvals Rule

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EAR vs multi-member Bucklin[edit | edit source]

this isn't the same as Bucklin. EAR is proportional whilst multi-member Bucklin allowed bullet voting and has no quota. unsigned comment -- Philpope 21:00, 11 October 2021‎ (UTC)

That's what the "transferable vote" part of Bucklin Transferable Vote refers to: a quota mechanism with "transferred votes" (reweighting after election). Kristomun (talk) 21:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Bucklin Transferable Vote refers to a specific method. the definition of EAR is wide so possibly BTV is a type of EAR... Philpope (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Merge with another article?[edit | edit source]

@Philpope:: based on User:Kristomun's comment, it would seem that your new article ("Expanding Approvals Rule") should be merged with the "Bucklin Transferable Vote" article. Based on my cursory investigation (trying to map electowiki articles to English Wikipedia articles), it would seem that merging with "Proportionality for Solid Coalitions" may be appropriate. If I were feeling reckless, I'd just perform a sloppy merge of all three articles (and I may just do that). At a minimum, I believe that User:Philpope needs to put something on their user page, per my welcome letter. -- RobLa (talk) 04:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

This isn't a new article - someone else created it two and a half years ago. The wikipedia articles on 'Bucklin Voting' and 'Proportionality for Solid Coalitions' aren't particularly accurate and the latter omits references to a lot of important sources e.g. Dummet's Quota Borda System in 'Principles of Electoral Reform', Hill's sequential stv, gazeley's stv-edc, etc. EAR is a class of methods but the authors also specified a particular implementation of it which is definitely distinct from BTV. I'm not sure that BTV as defined by Quin and Stern is an implementation of EAR - will have to read their algorithm more closely. I appreciate it might not be appropriate to necessarily have separate pages for every single method. I tend to agree with your policy of trying to mirror wikipedia article structure but would like to have a discussion of whether what is currently on wikipedia currently is satisifactory or needs expanding. I have responded to your welcome message on my user page. Philpope (talk) 11:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
another point while I think about it. Bucklin voting was historically used for multi-member elections, but the way it was implemented wasn't proportional, didn't satisfy PSC, and wasn't the method defined recently as BTV by Quin and Stern. Philpope (talk) 11:27, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
@Philpope:: sorry to put you on the defensive. Could you please fill in your user page ("User:Philpope") with a brief introduction to the electowiki community, even if it's just to say "I wish to remain anonymous, but I know a thing or two about this topic, and you should trust the assessments I make because ______.". I would really appreciate it. You can learn more about me on my user page (at "User:RobLa"). Thanks! -- RobLa (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)