User talk:Aldo Tragni

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Welcome![edit source]


Welcome to the new Electowiki! See User:RobLa and Electowiki:About for notes about the migration.

Let me know on my talk page if there's anything I can help with, if you know of any deleted articles on Wikipedia that could be resurrected here, etc. There's a To do list if you're looking for something to help with.

This runs on Mediawiki, so it has a lot of the same features as Wikipedia, but is missing a few (like automatic citation generation) and has a few that Wikipedia doesn't (like support for inline YouTube videos). Images from Wikimedia Commons can be used directly without needing to be uploaded.

The wiki is 14 years old and has never had a ton of activity, so the goals/policies were never really solidified. Your input is welcome, especially on how to handle the separation of biased advocacy from neutral informative content (which are both welcome). See Electowiki:The caucus for the discussion topics and Electowiki:Policy. — Psephomancy (talk) 03:37, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

DSV procedure.jpg[edit source]

Hi, why have you uploaded multiple versions of the same image? Is one meant to replace another? If so, you should upload the newer versions to the same filename as the older version and they will replace it. See the link that says "Upload a new version of this file".

Should I delete some of the older versions? — Psephomancy (talk) 19:06, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

I haven't seen the "Upload a new version of this file" feature. Yes, delete all old versions. User:Aldo Tragni
Also, when you leave a comment on a talk page like this, please type ~~~~ at the end to add your signature, so the conversation is easy to follow. — Psephomancy (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Now you can see the two versions of the file at (talk) 20:16, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the info — Aldo Tragni (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

By the way, if you have any kind of "source code" for your images, it would be helpful to include, so that other people can make similar images more easily. Whether an .SVG file or just describe what program you used to make them, etc. — Psephomancy (talk) 06:01, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes,can you make some images for other high end systems? My suggestion would be Reweighted Range Voting, Sequential Monroe voting and Sequential Phragmen -- 06:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I am currently busy and I doubt that I can make images for other voting systems too. In general I prefer the IRV type systems because in the RRV type systems it seems to me that only a part of the weight of the vote is used (at the end of the voting the weight of one vote could be 0,2 while that of another 0,8). Aldo Tragni (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't use codes to make images; they are feasible with any program that works on vector images (also opensource). They may seem complex but in reality I have only used texts, lines, rectangles, and circles (created a voting slip, the rest is a copy-paste, move, resize). Aldo Tragni (talk) 08:58, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but if you can upload the vector source file, then it's easier for other people to adapt it to other systems while keeping the same consistent style. Which format do you save it in? Is it Inkscape SVG? — Psephomancy (talk) 05:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Style for Electowiki
I thought about it a bit and the problem is that I also use this style (font, colors, line size, proportions, etc.) in my other works (videos, possibly sites, etc). It's one thing to "copy and paste" one of my images, which I accept in compliance with the copyright of Electowiki, but I would prefer to avoid a direct "copy and paste" of my style, which is still a bit childish. If you want, I can create a voting slip with a style different from mine, but more appropriate for Electowiki.
This (to the right) is a better style for Electowiki, thinner and with a little red color (recalls the site title color). I used Helvetica as a font.

110th dayversary[edit source]

Happy 110th day-anniversary (dayversary?) of your second edit to Electowiki (...and your first, and a belated welcome)! I see that you were welcomed you a while ago, but I wanted to issue a correction to the boilerplate language. That person (User:Psephomancy) is the other site admin, and they stated: "The wiki is 14 years old and has never had a ton of activity, so the goals/policies were never really solidified. ". That's not entirely true; User:Psephomancy wasn't an editor from 2005 until 2018. There was a lot of editing from 2005 to 2011, and then a lot of bad faith spammer attacks from 2011 to 2015 that were deleted from the edit histor. My attempts to shut out the spammers also made it almost impossible for new accounts to get created. Regardless of whether the goals were solidified, we had norms that I tried to uphold as a founding editor and administrator of Electowiki (and as an editor and administrator in good standing at English Wikipedia), and I will probably remain heavily involved in policy decisions at Electowiki for a bit longer, so I would encourage you to look skeptically at policies (or articles) that were written without my involvement. In fact, look skeptically at articles that have my involvement; since I could be wrong about something. But please, drop a line on User_talk:RobLa if you have any questions about my opinion.

That's a very long welcome, and that's probably beside the point. I'm really pleased that you are uploading helpful diagrams. I agree with User:Psephomancy that someone (maybe me) is probably going to more emphatically request the source files for the vector art that you're creating. We want Electowiki articles to become just as good as (or even better than) Wikipedia counterparts, so that it's possible to copy prose and diagrams over to Wikipedia and reuse them with other free/libre projects. There have been many efforts over the years to convert Wikipedia raster diagrams to vector for reasons that are described on the template page used on English Wikipedia for images targeted for conversion: wikipedia:Template:Should be SVG. Uploading in a vector format like SVG is not an absolute requirement, but raster diagrams are more likely to face serious scrutiny on Electowiki, especially if the factual content conveyed by the diagram is called to question, and you aren't willing to change the diagram. We may just need to delete the diagram in that case.

But we don't need to resolve that issue today. I haven't seen any of your images being proposed for deletion, and I'm not in a big hurry to apply intense scrutiny to your work. It looks like you're a talented artist, and the diagrams you've made had a nice clean look to them. We appreciate you taking the time to add them. Happy 110th dayversary contributing to Electowiki! -- RobLa (talk) 04:27, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! About the vector files I have already expressed my opinion. I can guarantee that my future images will all be .SVG with the style I created for ElectoWiki. Regarding my work, "Distributed Vote" is the one to which I have dedicated the most commitment and which I'm supporting the most; I just changed the image of the DV in .svg format but I could not replace it to the previous one (you can delete the previous one in raster). "Distributed Multi-Voting" is a particular idea but I think it's too complicated. "Distributed Score Voting" is the worst and I think it's similar to the Smith-Score (if it were canceled for this similarity, it would be fine with me). Thanks also for the compliments on the style of the diagram. Aldo Tragni (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you! And my apologies for not noticing that File:Style-1.svg was already in SVG; I was preaching to the converted (so to speak)! I'm really glad to see you've converted the DV raster image (File:DV procedure.jpg) to vector (File:DV Procedure.svg); I neglected to notice that earlier. There are other image format issues for me to get fussy about (e.g. I can already see many things that the English Wikipedia community would give you grief about), but I'll hold off for now. I will note that you've misspelled "loseer", and I'm not enough of a pro in hand-editing the SVG paths that make up the word "loseer" to be able to fix it, but I'm sure I'll be able to bring this up in Inkscape later and do that. There's at least one other thing that I'd like to bring up, but I bring that up as part of my "welcome message" boilerplate development project I'd like to start. See User:RobLa#2020-05-19 to learn what I mean by that (and hopefully, I'll have something written by the time you try to read that link). Also, at some point, I'll have to give Distributed Voting a much closer reading than the light skim that I've done, but I'll have to put that on my TODO list. Until then, thank you! -- RobLa (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
You haven't forgotten to notice it; I created and uploaded it when I read your message. In the meantime I also created and uploaded the Reweighted Range Voting one as it seems to me a very famous and supported method. I don't know the English Wikipedia community, but if there are errors in my diagrams, I will correct them. About Distributed Voting, I recommend this discussion in which I (in the role of Essenzia) answer to several questions/criticisms. Aldo Tragni (talk) 09:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)